Paul did a lot of "show and tell" with various displays of hardware. The printed motor from last year's conference is now passing his tests.
He has a GPS IMU test bed that has run 35 flights. He is trying different IMUs. The low cost ones don't work well with rocket vibrations.
For tank development, he had tests. This includes test tanks. He showed 1 tank rated for 500 PSI that failed gracefully at 550 PSI. Now, he is having problems with the resin vendor, so he's working on different types of tanks.
For rocket recovery, a lot of flights at the FAR didn't recover successfully.
Paul got a Tripoli Level 3 certification with a Mach 1.2 15,000 foot flight with a successful recovery.
In the future, he plans to combine the motors, tanks, and guidance and control into a vehicle and fly it. He would like to win the Nanosatellite Launch Challenge.
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Saturday, April 14, 2012
Space Access '12: Tim Pickens - Rocket City Space Pioneers (GLXP)
Tim overviewed the RCSP team member companies. Then he presented their concept of operations. They would launch on a Falcon 9 rocket, and use an ESPA ring to deliver several secondary payloads to GTI and LLO, allowing them to make some money. It seemed like it would save customers 50% compared to other ways to reach their orbits, but they aren't getting those customers. They want to learn while doing this project, so they built lunar lander hardware for MSFC. They made hdrogen peroxide/kerosene "green" engine. Tim showed an ILDD test firing. STEM and social media ar important to the Google Lunar X PRIZE. Significant sponsors require having a following so they are trying to boost intest For example, they made a free Ipad game. They figured there would be science and robotic precursor missions to the Moon, but that's not happening. With ride shares, they would get to about break-even even if they didn't get to the Moon. They are running short on time with the GLXP schedule. They already spent lots of resources on marketing, modeling, etc. Sponsorship opportunities are limited. The GLXP is not American Idol, the NFL, etc. They need to get away from the current model. They need to make it fun, mainstream, and relevant to lots of people. They could become a secondary payload to save money on the mission. What about the business model? That was rideshare, so that would go away with such a switch. They could team up with another team. They don't want to just let the project hang around on life support. With sponsors, they got lots of value in software tools, but hard cash is hard to come by. This is a long shot for sponsors because they have to actually get to the Moon to get big results for the sponsors.
Why was there a problem with GTO ride shares? The customers didn't know who they would be sharing a ride with, or if they would show up at all. They don't want to be left without a ride because of that. They are also used to working with current vendors.
Why was there a problem with GTO ride shares? The customers didn't know who they would be sharing a ride with, or if they would show up at all. They don't want to be left without a ride because of that. They are also used to working with current vendors.
Space Access '12: Percy Luney - Nanosatellite Launch Challenge
I'm not sure that I caught all of the details on the prize since there was a lot of back-and-forth across the room in this presentation, so I'd encourage readers to consult with the actual rules. I may have missed or mis-interpreted a few things.
Draft rules are expected to be published by next Tuesday on the Space Florida website. They are managing the competition, but competitors don't have to launch from Florida. They need to launch from U.S. territory (it sounds like sea launch is allowed). They have had negotiatons with FAA, NASA, and the Air Force on the rules. Those interested can register for weekly updates on their website. They can also comment on the team agreement. There is now $3M in prize money available in the competition. (I'm not sure if the $1M increase is related to the cancellation of the Beam Power/Climber prize, but that would have been for a similar amount). There are 3 prizes, $1.5M for 2 nanosatellite launches within 7 days from the same launch site, $1M for the first air launches meeting these criteria (assuming the overall winner was a ground launch), and the remainder for the 2nd by the "other mode". I'm not sure how this works out with various scenarios. Registration fees are for things like judges wherever the launches happen. Space Florida is taking care of all costs to manage the competition, with NASA prize money.
This was a short presentation with an extended Q/A session. There was quite a lot of interest in the competition, judging by the number of questions. Q/A:
What is the registration fee? It will probably be ~$10,000 (ballpark figure). There would also be a fee for registering a launch.
Will they help with range costs? Space Florida is willing to work with teams on launching from Florida. They can provide help with range requirements. It sounds like this would be Space Florida wearing a different "hat" from running the competition.
Are fees the same regardless of where the judges have to go? It seems like the costs would be different for more expensive trips. A: They wil have to take that one under advisement.
The $10,000 covers overall management of the competition.
Would there be any relief in the 7 day window for things like weather, FAA certification delays, etc? A: Weather: yes, FAA delays: no They aren't an intermediary for FAA, etc.
What are the range costs? It's $25,000 for the Eastern Range. They have been working with that range on lowering range costs. This covers Eastern Range and Space Florida costs. Costs could be different at different locations.
Are they looking for sponsorship? A: They will try but it's hard to do because they are not launching from a specific predefined location.
They can't control other launch sites, etc.
The timeline for the final rules is by the end of May.
Would the $25,000 range costs have to be paid twice because of the 2 launches? They will have to check on that.
What has to be done to prove that the payload was in orbit? The burden of proof is on the contestant. There could be various ways to do that.
For air launch, could you do both launches on the same airplane flight? A: That would probably require 2 flights.
Orbit definition? At least 1 verifiable orbit of the Earth.
Could a contestant sell their spot in the challenge? yes
Can the payload be commercial? yes
Can the orbit be highly elliptical? A: They are debating having a maximum. They don't want a problem (not sure - with debris?)
What is the minimum altitude? A: That will be in the draft rules. They recently put that in.
How much delay could there be between launches? They could go at 2:00 and then 3:00. They shouldn't go at the same time.
The rockets can be expendable.
Can the vehicle be based on existing components? That is allowed.
For a sea launch, would the boat have to come back (like the airplane in an air launch)? No, the boat shouldn't have to.
Suggestion: Make the delay between launches be verifying that the first launch did actually make a full orbit. This will require a certain amount of time.
How many judges are needed in a sea launch or air launch (I think this means on the plane or boat)? 2
Is the range up to speed? They are aware at the Eastern Range. They are a bit reserved on it, but they've worked well with Masten ... we will see.
Government payloads are not allowed.
An "Act of God" like a hurricaine, etc, will not penalize a team with respect to getting a launch window within the 7 days.
Draft rules are expected to be published by next Tuesday on the Space Florida website. They are managing the competition, but competitors don't have to launch from Florida. They need to launch from U.S. territory (it sounds like sea launch is allowed). They have had negotiatons with FAA, NASA, and the Air Force on the rules. Those interested can register for weekly updates on their website. They can also comment on the team agreement. There is now $3M in prize money available in the competition. (I'm not sure if the $1M increase is related to the cancellation of the Beam Power/Climber prize, but that would have been for a similar amount). There are 3 prizes, $1.5M for 2 nanosatellite launches within 7 days from the same launch site, $1M for the first air launches meeting these criteria (assuming the overall winner was a ground launch), and the remainder for the 2nd by the "other mode". I'm not sure how this works out with various scenarios. Registration fees are for things like judges wherever the launches happen. Space Florida is taking care of all costs to manage the competition, with NASA prize money.
This was a short presentation with an extended Q/A session. There was quite a lot of interest in the competition, judging by the number of questions. Q/A:
What is the registration fee? It will probably be ~$10,000 (ballpark figure). There would also be a fee for registering a launch.
Will they help with range costs? Space Florida is willing to work with teams on launching from Florida. They can provide help with range requirements. It sounds like this would be Space Florida wearing a different "hat" from running the competition.
Are fees the same regardless of where the judges have to go? It seems like the costs would be different for more expensive trips. A: They wil have to take that one under advisement.
The $10,000 covers overall management of the competition.
Would there be any relief in the 7 day window for things like weather, FAA certification delays, etc? A: Weather: yes, FAA delays: no They aren't an intermediary for FAA, etc.
What are the range costs? It's $25,000 for the Eastern Range. They have been working with that range on lowering range costs. This covers Eastern Range and Space Florida costs. Costs could be different at different locations.
Are they looking for sponsorship? A: They will try but it's hard to do because they are not launching from a specific predefined location.
They can't control other launch sites, etc.
The timeline for the final rules is by the end of May.
Would the $25,000 range costs have to be paid twice because of the 2 launches? They will have to check on that.
What has to be done to prove that the payload was in orbit? The burden of proof is on the contestant. There could be various ways to do that.
For air launch, could you do both launches on the same airplane flight? A: That would probably require 2 flights.
Orbit definition? At least 1 verifiable orbit of the Earth.
Could a contestant sell their spot in the challenge? yes
Can the payload be commercial? yes
Can the orbit be highly elliptical? A: They are debating having a maximum. They don't want a problem (not sure - with debris?)
What is the minimum altitude? A: That will be in the draft rules. They recently put that in.
How much delay could there be between launches? They could go at 2:00 and then 3:00. They shouldn't go at the same time.
The rockets can be expendable.
Can the vehicle be based on existing components? That is allowed.
For a sea launch, would the boat have to come back (like the airplane in an air launch)? No, the boat shouldn't have to.
Suggestion: Make the delay between launches be verifying that the first launch did actually make a full orbit. This will require a certain amount of time.
How many judges are needed in a sea launch or air launch (I think this means on the plane or boat)? 2
Is the range up to speed? They are aware at the Eastern Range. They are a bit reserved on it, but they've worked well with Masten ... we will see.
Government payloads are not allowed.
An "Act of God" like a hurricaine, etc, will not penalize a team with respect to getting a launch window within the 7 days.
Space Access '12: Jordin Kare - LaserMotive
He was at Space Access 2010 right after winning the Space Elevator Games climber/beam power competition. They are open for business, and have their first 2 full-time employees. The next challenge was delayed, revised, and then finally cancelled. LaserMotive was disappointed with this, since they had put a lot of effort into it. They did get a 4.5 kw diode array transmitter out of the effort, though.
Since then, they did a demo of unlimited duration flight with a quadricopter. They had no sales, and got no angel investors yet. They are still looking for customers and investors.
They have a new product, InvisiTower, which is like the quadricopter, but is controlled by a tether. Laser power is delivered over fiber. The craft could take video, transmit communications, etc.
Since 2010, there has been more interest in Laser Launch. There were 2 separate funded studies from OCT. One was on Beamed Energy Propulsion, and one was called Ride the Light. His plan was for one array of lasers for the initial launch system, and another, main array for orbit. They studied design reference missions for launch, LEO to GEO, and deep space missions. They were designing an expendable SST vehicle. Kare, Myrabo and Parkin had different approaches.
Since then, they did a demo of unlimited duration flight with a quadricopter. They had no sales, and got no angel investors yet. They are still looking for customers and investors.
They have a new product, InvisiTower, which is like the quadricopter, but is controlled by a tether. Laser power is delivered over fiber. The craft could take video, transmit communications, etc.
Since 2010, there has been more interest in Laser Launch. There were 2 separate funded studies from OCT. One was on Beamed Energy Propulsion, and one was called Ride the Light. His plan was for one array of lasers for the initial launch system, and another, main array for orbit. They studied design reference missions for launch, LEO to GEO, and deep space missions. They were designing an expendable SST vehicle. Kare, Myrabo and Parkin had different approaches.
Space Access '12: Ben Brockert: Armadillo Aerospace
Ben played a 16 minute video that reviewed Armadillo accomplishments over th last year, and explained what was happening in the video while it ran. With videos and comments like that, sometimes you want to just sit back and soak it all in, which is what I did instead of writing a lot of comments. He showed work for the NASA Morpheus project, Stig, Dalek, Stiga. Their next rocket has a 20 inch diameter instead of 15 inches. One fun comment was on their wind tunnel test: dragging a ballute behind a tow truck.
Space Access '12: Dave Masten - Masten Space Systems
Although they didn't discuss prizes much other than their accomplishments in the Northrop Grumman Lunar Lander Challenge which I've covered in earlier posts (including Space Access reviews from earlier years), I'll include the presentations of the LLC and power beaming teams at the conference because it's important to see where the prizes fit in the overall course of a participant's history. Prizes aren't just about the competitions themselves, but are also about what the participation enables in the long run.
Masten wants their latest vehicle, Xaero, to reach 100,000 feet and to be reusable. They have flown it twice, and also had about 88 tether tests. It's like their LLC winner on the inside,but with an aeroshell. The aeroshell changed the vibrations and accoustic environment, which made landing difficult. They had IMU trouble with this. Now they are free flying. Maybe in another week they will have more flying, then go much higher.
Sensei is a "Master Rocket Hypervisor". It's a proven GNC system that operates in the background while a new, unproven one controls the vehicle in flight. It will take over the flight if needed. One with Draper Labs and NASA was flown on Xombie for about 25 flights including some purposely making Genie (the tested GNC system) go out of parameters so Sensei had to take over the flight.
They see 2 business lines: high altitude rockets, and entry, descent, and landing.
Zeus is derived from an old concept where an upper stage does most of the landing on a body like the Moon, then it is landed on the side with side engines. ULA engineers expanded on this idea 6 years ago using a Centaur. ULA donated a Centaur to Masten to investigate Zeus. Masten is hoping to develop the idea more and then have NASA pick it up. Masten propulsion would be on the side of the Centaur for final landing. They are now working on terrestrial tests. The donated Centaur is good enough for a terrestrial demo of GNC, etc. They have 2 buildings now, and one is called "The Stable" because it has a Centaur in it! They estimate that this would land 14 tons to the surface, or 5 if it's reusable.
They are building a second Xaero because they have so many customer needs in the 5-6 km range. They hope to get to 100,000 feet in a few months, but that's not a promise. They plan this launch to be from Mojave hopefully, and then to go elsewhere.
Masten wants their latest vehicle, Xaero, to reach 100,000 feet and to be reusable. They have flown it twice, and also had about 88 tether tests. It's like their LLC winner on the inside,but with an aeroshell. The aeroshell changed the vibrations and accoustic environment, which made landing difficult. They had IMU trouble with this. Now they are free flying. Maybe in another week they will have more flying, then go much higher.
Sensei is a "Master Rocket Hypervisor". It's a proven GNC system that operates in the background while a new, unproven one controls the vehicle in flight. It will take over the flight if needed. One with Draper Labs and NASA was flown on Xombie for about 25 flights including some purposely making Genie (the tested GNC system) go out of parameters so Sensei had to take over the flight.
They see 2 business lines: high altitude rockets, and entry, descent, and landing.
Zeus is derived from an old concept where an upper stage does most of the landing on a body like the Moon, then it is landed on the side with side engines. ULA engineers expanded on this idea 6 years ago using a Centaur. ULA donated a Centaur to Masten to investigate Zeus. Masten is hoping to develop the idea more and then have NASA pick it up. Masten propulsion would be on the side of the Centaur for final landing. They are now working on terrestrial tests. The donated Centaur is good enough for a terrestrial demo of GNC, etc. They have 2 buildings now, and one is called "The Stable" because it has a Centaur in it! They estimate that this would land 14 tons to the surface, or 5 if it's reusable.
They are building a second Xaero because they have so many customer needs in the 5-6 km range. They hope to get to 100,000 feet in a few months, but that's not a promise. They plan this launch to be from Mojave hopefully, and then to go elsewhere.
Space Access '12: Ed Wright - Citizens in Space
Teachers in Space is now Citizens in Space. Ed discussed a lot of Citizens in Space activity, but I'll just mention activity related to prizes. They are participating in the NASA International Space Apps challenge. They are also considering a suborbital experiment challenge of their own. The details are to be determined, but it's possible that we will hear more at the Maker Faire.
Thursday, March 22, 2012
Space Access '12: A Conference Warmup Roundup
After a long break from posting on Space Prizes, my post backlog is a bit too huge to handle all in one post, so I plan to do some "roundup with a theme" posts. This post's theme is the Space Access '12 Conference. It's a good time for this theme, since the Space Show's lineup for this week includes Henry Vanderbilt, who will discuss the 2012 Space Access Society meeting on the radio show today. The conference itself is scheduled to start April 12. Many of the presenters at this conference are, or have been, involved with various space prizes (the Northrop Grumman Lunar Lander Challenge being a prominent example). Let's take a look at what some of this year's presenters with space prize backgrounds have been up to lately, borrowing heading links straight out of the Space Access '12 agenda.
Altius Space Machines, Jon Goff
New Moonandback Interviews - Altius Space Machines
Armadillo Aerospace
Second Flight of Stiga - Armadillo Aerospace gives a detailed and entertaining description of the flight and subsequent shovel-less shovel recovery. The post ends with a hint about what to expect next from the team.
More on Armadillo STIG-A flight - RLV News
Florida team pursues Carmack Prize - RLV News
Briefs: Latest ATREX launch target; Project Ursa aims for Carmack Prize - RLV News
NASA selects expt. payloads for commercial suborbital flights - RLV News (This one is relevant to both Armadillo Aerospace and Masten Space Systems)
Lasermotive, Jordin Kare
LaserMotive: Working the paths at the DoD - LaserMotive
LaserMotive Marks Five Years Pioneering Wireless Power Technology - LaserMotive
Student Science Fair Project Studying Power Beaming - LaserMotive
LaserMotive is also mentioned briefly in this Space Elevator Blog post: JSETEC ‘11
Masten Space, Dave Masten
Why Precision Landing? - Masten Space Systems
Masten's Xaero extended hover test - RLV News
SpaceUp San Diego review - RLV News - This includes a talk by Dave Masten.
Masten Xaero free flight - RLV News
Draper flies Masten's Zombie with GENIE guidance system - RLV News
Masten Space's XEUS lunar lander system - RLV News
Briefs: More on Xombie & Draper; Steve Brody pt. 3 - RLV News
Briefs: Q&A with Masten Space; Alaskan rocket launch - RLV News
Masten's Xaero did 61m free flight on Feb.17th - RLV News
Tim Pickens, Rocket City Space Pioneers GLXP Project
Fourth Graders Name Rocket City Space Pioneers' Lander "Spirit of Alabama" - Rocket City Space Pioneers Blog
Rocket City Space Pioneers Team Member Participates in Electric Car Competition - Rocket City Space Pioneers Blog
Team Phoenicia, Will Baird
Team Phoenicia Wins $1 Million Contract - Team Phoenicia announces an arrangement with Nova Rocketcraft, which is interested in the Nanosatellite Launch Challenge.
Team JURBAN Selects Team Phoenicia Engines for GLXP Lander - Team Phoenicia
You can also see a number of recent rocket test videos and component pictures at the Phoenicia blog.
Team Phoenicia set up the Nanosatellite Launch Challenge seminars. One of the teams, Vog Rockets, links to one of Phoenicia's seminar recordings in this post: The Team Phoenicia/Techshop Nanosat Launcher Seminar Video: Vog Rockets
Speedup, Robert Steinke
Students for the Exploration and Development of Space, Sara Meschberger
2nd Annual SEDS High-Powered Rocketry Competition Announcement - SEDS
Unreasonable Rocket, Paul Breed
Quick Update... - Unreasonable Rocket - This post covers a lot of ground, including a possible "show and tell" topic at the SA '12 conference.
Ideas about business and a request for feedback... - Unreasonable Rocket
Altius Space Machines, Jon Goff
New Moonandback Interviews - Altius Space Machines
Armadillo Aerospace
Second Flight of Stiga - Armadillo Aerospace gives a detailed and entertaining description of the flight and subsequent shovel-less shovel recovery. The post ends with a hint about what to expect next from the team.
More on Armadillo STIG-A flight - RLV News
Florida team pursues Carmack Prize - RLV News
Briefs: Latest ATREX launch target; Project Ursa aims for Carmack Prize - RLV News
NASA selects expt. payloads for commercial suborbital flights - RLV News (This one is relevant to both Armadillo Aerospace and Masten Space Systems)
Lasermotive, Jordin Kare
LaserMotive: Working the paths at the DoD - LaserMotive
LaserMotive Marks Five Years Pioneering Wireless Power Technology - LaserMotive
Student Science Fair Project Studying Power Beaming - LaserMotive
LaserMotive is also mentioned briefly in this Space Elevator Blog post: JSETEC ‘11
Masten Space, Dave Masten
Why Precision Landing? - Masten Space Systems
Masten's Xaero extended hover test - RLV News
SpaceUp San Diego review - RLV News - This includes a talk by Dave Masten.
Masten Xaero free flight - RLV News
Draper flies Masten's Zombie with GENIE guidance system - RLV News
Masten Space's XEUS lunar lander system - RLV News
Briefs: More on Xombie & Draper; Steve Brody pt. 3 - RLV News
Briefs: Q&A with Masten Space; Alaskan rocket launch - RLV News
Masten's Xaero did 61m free flight on Feb.17th - RLV News
Tim Pickens, Rocket City Space Pioneers GLXP Project
Fourth Graders Name Rocket City Space Pioneers' Lander "Spirit of Alabama" - Rocket City Space Pioneers Blog
Rocket City Space Pioneers Team Member Participates in Electric Car Competition - Rocket City Space Pioneers Blog
Team Phoenicia, Will Baird
Team Phoenicia Wins $1 Million Contract - Team Phoenicia announces an arrangement with Nova Rocketcraft, which is interested in the Nanosatellite Launch Challenge.
Team JURBAN Selects Team Phoenicia Engines for GLXP Lander - Team Phoenicia
You can also see a number of recent rocket test videos and component pictures at the Phoenicia blog.
Team Phoenicia set up the Nanosatellite Launch Challenge seminars. One of the teams, Vog Rockets, links to one of Phoenicia's seminar recordings in this post: The Team Phoenicia/Techshop Nanosat Launcher Seminar Video: Vog Rockets
Speedup, Robert Steinke
Students for the Exploration and Development of Space, Sara Meschberger
2nd Annual SEDS High-Powered Rocketry Competition Announcement - SEDS
Unreasonable Rocket, Paul Breed
Quick Update... - Unreasonable Rocket - This post covers a lot of ground, including a possible "show and tell" topic at the SA '12 conference.
Ideas about business and a request for feedback... - Unreasonable Rocket
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